Hello and welcome everybody to the master class tonight August
17th 2023 we have some great presentations tonight that's
going to be great I do have a one that's going to be a person
who's here and then I have a couple recordings that we're
going to run through so this should be really interesting on
what we're going to cover this evening I really look forward to
it I'm sure you guys do too Alex.
You go right ahead if you are ready all right well thank you
very much let me just make sure that everyone can see can you
see my screen I see your TCW dash there you go I see it data
privacy OK OK might be a little bit delayed so I'll try to work
with that well good evening everyone and thank you for.
Taking some of your time to to listen to me talk about
something I'm very passionate about and that's data privacy
and so in my presentation tonight I'm going to talk about
several topics ranging from what is data privacy privacy to the
the laws and regulations about it here in the United states as
well as we'll get into some examples and of course we'll
have some questions at the very end but.
All right so to start off with what is data privacy now privacy
is recognized as a human right and information data privacy is
a subset of the broader right to privacy and really that's only
found in in the democratic governments of the world and it
relates to an individual 's ability to determine for
themselves for what purpose their personal information is
handled by others.
So you may be asking OK so why is data privacy so important and
of course it's the importance really stems from the ability to
ensure that the human autonomy dignity safety and self
determination and really data privacy is the right to privacy
that is also recognized as an enabling right because it
facilitates the enjoyment of other human rights.
Such as the right of freedom of expression freedom of thought
conscience religion freedom assembly association and the
right to be free from discrimination so in this way it
serves as a foundation for our our the government and our our
society that we live in here in this in the United States and if
we look at some examples of privacy policies from I I just
chose.
Several large companies and what you're looking at is the word
count of some of their privacy policies and some of them I was
able to capture a then and now type of picture and what you're
looking at is privacy policies that are 5 or more years old
versus the privacy policies that are that are now so by no
stretch of the imagination you can see that if you're
interested in reading a small book you can happily read these
privacy policies and.
And get lost in in these and so for example so I'm going to look
at PayPal and iTunes you can see that organizations have more
recently worked over the years to simplify their privacy
policies however many of their privacy policies the way that
they separated them is they shorten them down and instead
they've separated certain areas of their old privacy policy into
maybe sub policies like data processing policy.
And other similar policies which may have all been grouped
together under you know in the past under the organization 's
one privacy policy and more recently Facebook as an example
I know meta right Facebook meta rewrote its privacy policy to a
secondary school reading level but when it did that it also
tripled tripled its length and so now when you think about.
Privacy policies and all these apps a lot of time apps and
services a lot of times you're questioning you know if if the
app or product or service if it's free you know nothing is
really ever free right so if the product or service is free then
it means that you are the product or service and you know
the big question is what does that really mean so as as
individuals.
As we're navigating through all these companies and have we we
have all these multitude of accounts online and we're
reading these privacy policies whenever there is a service that
free you have to realize that you are the product or service
now one thing to kind of take note is that you know a lot of
times when talking about privacy policies and the type of things
that companies do.
Many people will say well you know I don't have anything to
hide so it's not really that big of a deal but if you really
think about that statement yeah in my opinion I think it's
really an indication into that person 's simplistic view of
their data and their their the data that their companies are
collecting on them and and overall the lack of maturity I
would say in understanding what these companies do with the data
and how the data is collected so for example.
This is a a quote from a New York Times article and they were
quoting Johann Kasper who's the data protection commissioner of
of Hamburg Germany and this person have said that Facebook
as an example of a company that collects data provides a network
where the users while getting 3 services most of them consider
useful are subject to a multitude of non transparent
analysis profiling and other mostly obscure.
Algorithmic processing and I'm sure everyone in this meeting
knows but an algorithm is simply a step by step process or set of
instructions that describe how to perform a task and it's
pretty regular in in computer science and and so you might be
asking yourself.
OK so as you visit all these different websites you go on
social media you log into Amazon you you know basically do what
we do from day-to-day you might OK what is really collected
about us and these are items that I pulled straight out of
Facebook 's privacy policy and and maybe think for a little bit
let let some of these things set in so it's information and
content that that we personally upload.
Information about our social networks and our connections our
usage the transactions that we make on on this platform but not
just us things that others do and provide about you and then
they also capture tons of different things about your
devices device attributes operations hardware identifiers
signals all different type of settings.
They also collect network connections such as IP addresses
and cookie data and information from all the different partners
that Facebook associates with and if you think that that's
maybe a little bit concerning Facebook also develops profiles
for individual individuals that are not on their service so you
might say well not a big deal you know I I don't use tiktok or
I don't use you know whatever but a lot of these companies.
Are developing profiles that are not on their service there's
also other things that they capture right they capture
camera data like for for your mobile phone microphone data
photos your contacts they also capture the GPS location while
you're using their services and not just on their direct website
or their direct app also on their partner apartment partner
apps so you'll know that you know in in Facebook for example
you can do pixel tracking code?
Part of a marketing campaign and so if someone adds that pixel
tracking code to their website well then hey that website just
has become a partner app and then all the metrics of that
website and usage goes in goes in and and gets collected and
tracked and so now as I dug deeper into privacy policies and
and done research the the biggest thing that I found and
that I think everyone would agree is that.
Even though companies are making efforts to simplify the language
of their their privacy policies the understandability of their
their privacy policies is is not really the big problem the big
problem is just that users individuals that are using these
products or services are just being overwhelmed overwhelmed by
the language overwhelmed by the length and overwhelmed by the
types of things that maybe to the uneducated person that
doesn't know about.
Technology the the types of things that these companies are
collecting and so according to a survey collected by
addictivetips.com 87% of the people accepted privacy policies
without reading them and they at the time this is just in the
last few years they identified that TikTok WhatsApp a privacy
policies were by far the hardest to understand.
And some interesting things about those is that tiktok 's
privacy policy requires a reading age level of 17 plus
years old so very technical but tiktok as an as a social media
platform has a sign up age of 13 years old so the minimum age you
have to be so you see there's some discrepancies there you
have to be 13 years old to sign up but really only 17 plus
years.
Old adults would be able to understand the language of of
those policies so on average if you look at all the social media
privacy policies they take over 47 minutes to read fully and
that's on average so 47 minutes to read and there's a number of
sections that are perhaps more complex and I'm not gonna bore
you with those but 47 minutes to read so coming up just shy of an
hour to go through and read the privacy policies.
And so in as part of that same survey the respondents responded
to a bunch of different questions and and some of the
stats from that was that 89% so about 90% of those that
participated say that privacy policies were too long over 80%
said they would consent either way whether they read it or not
and over 70% said that they were just not able to understand what
they were reading so.
We can kind of see that there's there's kind of a systemic
problem with IT companies social media companies and and the
users of those products and services not even reading not
even reading let alone trying to understand what's really
happening as they use those those platforms so I wanted to
just talk about kind of the current state of data privacy.
And kind of the the big problem with with I would say with data
policy the the data privacy is that the way that it is work
works here in the states is that businesses try to get consent we
try to get informed consent if possible but what they're really
doing is they're pushing I I would say there's a business
culture of of risk transference where they're trying to transfer
the risk.
Of if there's some type of data breach or or what they do with
the data onto the consumer and just say well hey you agreed to
to use the service or or product so so it's on you so it's kind
of a way for them to to cover themselves instead of actually
maybe do what what we would think is is rights and and
protect individual privacies there's also kind of an all or
nothing type of mindset where.
You you know you open up your new phone or you open up a new
app and it's an all or nothing mindset meaning do you agree to
these you know conditions and services or if you disagree then
you may not be able to even use a platform or service so there's
there's not many and and companies I would say probably
over the recent few years are are getting better where they're
allowing you to select individually it's not like an
all or nothing but many companies still operate with
that all or nothing mindset and.
There's still an issue though where even though that some of
these companies are allowing better customizable selections
for their their data collection settings or privacy settings
those are not turned off by default like the privacy and the
sharing the collection So what needs to happen or what ends up
happening is it's on the consumer the individual.
Who uses the platforms of service to try to figure out
where that's at and then turn them off itself they're the
businesses obviously don't and they they do that for a reason
but now according to ashkan solanti who's now an independent
researcher but he used to work at the Federal Trade Commission
he said that most people believe that they're protected meaning
their data that's being collected on them their profiles
their information?
Until they're not and and again that's ash ashcan solante he
used to work for the Federal Trade Commission so I want to
talk a little bit about the laws and regulations and really what
what you're going to see is that the European Union has the GDPR
which is very comprehensive comprehensive they just passed
it within the last few years.
And it is very encompassing in in the ways that it protects
individuals data privacy and of course many businesses are
having to adjust to that if they do business with citizens of the
EU which people could be traveling all over and so
they're they're trying to adhere to that standard California also
has a standard ccpa.
But the federal government unfortunately here in the United
states does not have a singular law similar to the GDPR that
covers the full spectrum of privacy and instead the US
government is comprised of a mix of laws like HIPAA FCRA ferpa
GLBA and all these other acronyms we can talk there's
many of them there's the privacy act of 1974 and that.
Primarily governs how federal agencies collect and use data so
it's not talking about private organizations HIPAA which is was
passed in 1996 that as as many will know kind of really focuses
on the medical records the Grammy B leach act was passed in
1988 and that's more focused for financial institutions there's a
children 's online privacy protect and act COPPA.
That was passed in 19981998 and that limits what companies can
do with the data that they have collected about children who are
under the age of 13 and I mentioned the California
consumer privacy act ccpa which is passed in 2018 so there's
several states that are passing similar laws as as California 's
customer privacy act such as Virginia Colorado Connecticut
and Utah.
That may go into effect later this year however the vast
majority of states here in the United states do not have
specific data privacy laws and the data that's collected by a
majority of the organizations in those States and and and
throughout the United states most of it is not as regulated
as you might think.
And so as we can see there seems like there's some pretty big
gaps in the federal privacy laws that regulate many companies and
so unfortunately what that means is in many organizations if
they're not constrained by their local level state laws they you
might say have free play to do what they will with the data and
there's not a lot of controls and penalties you know if they
mishandle that and what does that really mean.
That means that they can use share sell that data that they
collect online about you without notifying you what they're doing
there's no national law that that standardizes privacy data
privacy and the big question that I would pose to the group
here tonight or if you're listening to this is is what is
really needed to ensure the privacy of individual consumer
data.
So let me let me kind of look at just some recent examples and
you may kind of give you some pause here so just recently in
2019 the Federal Trade Commission fined Facebook 5
billion dollars I&II couldn't you know it's hard to
fathom what that really is but that's a lot of zeros and.
You'll see that this is the highest penalty in in in the
privacy arena for privacy enforcement actions that the FTC
has ever find a company with and ironically enough they find a
Facebook because Facebook in 2012 was also investigated by
the FTC and as part of that investigation back in 2012 they
did not follow the order and then instructions that the FTC
had provided about data privacy.
And so when they basically FTC came back at them in 2019 and
found that they were just running wild and not doing what
they're supposed to and that's when they they said OK here we
have to issue this fine now maybe the Facebook 5 billion is
I don't know I I I'm not gonna even guess 1% I don't know what
their what their quarterly revenue is but that's a lot of
zeros and in in the in the news article from the FTC they said
that Facebook.
Failed to submit to new restrictions and they had well
they had to submit new restrictions and a modified
corporate structure that will hold the company accountable for
the decision it makes about users privacy and so they agreed
to do that and to provide that that that fine to settle the
Trade Commission 's charges from the company so you know many of
us like I mentioned earlier we we kind of use all these
different platforms we use Amazon we use Venmo we use.
All these different social media platforms and we kind of hope
that that these companies are doing the right thing and and
and respecting individuals personal privacy but but we see
from this fine and I think if we really look closer that
companies are maybe not toeing the line as much as what we
would really like and so this is more of a question a a a
rhetorical question.
Which companies do you feel treat your data privacy the best
and I listed a few there could be many others hopefully you've
enjoyed this topic this these are my references I like I said
I feel strongly about data privacy I do feel that that it
is a right and it does allow us to express ourselves in our own
way and and if if those expressions and the that
information that companies are collecting about us are?
And those companies are not really treating that the way
that they should then it it seems like there's some pretty
big gaps in our our current society that that need to be
filled and of course I think that there's ways that they
could be but if they're when there's a will I I think they'll
be away so thank you for listening happy to answer any
questions and and that's what I have for tonight excellent job
very good.
This is a great point to make because a lot of people you know
there's a lot of people who don't even think about their
privacy or understand how it works when it comes down to it
and all the data that gets taken from us and where does anyone
have any questions for Alex I I think for me I was surprised
because I was thinking well I'm safe because I don't use a lot
of these different social media platforms but I was.
I'm surprised maybe but maybe more shocked to learn that
Facebook develops profiles for people that are not even on
their platform yeah and and and of course the reason that they
do it is to they say to they categorize you and they put you
into different categories and to sell ads and things like that
but I don't know that's that's a little it starts to get very
touchy if the company is doing that and and who has access to
that data and.
You know what are their what are their opinions that their
algorithmic models have developed about you and what
you'd be willing to absorb so you know I I think the argument
of a hey it it doesn't really affect me and like I'm not
really on it is kind of a very it's it's nice to feel like
laissez faire like I don't have to worry about it but the
reality is is that you know like it or not this is what's
happening yeah exactly you're more a part of it than you think
exactly.
If your friend 's on it you're on it yeah wow yeah it is creepy
that's right Rebecca absolutely well no great job excellent work
well like I said I don't think Tamara 's going to do hers this
evening I think we had switched times and I didn't keep up with
it but I do have one from Lindsay loans that I will be
showing so let me get?
The recording started make sure it's all going to work correctly
correctly.
Tell ya that on we're here OK can anyone see the screen yes we
can yes let me move that out of here all right.
All right let's get started I will use this one in a while
it's full screen there it is OK hi my name is Marion Lindsay and
today I will be talking about styling the home in particular
for yourself.
What I'm going to touch on today are important things to keep in
mind before you ever think about designing a space the necessity
of having inspiration and how it can affect the outcome of what
you are going to have things to keep in mind when you're buying
furniture accessorizing and I'll put it particularly touch on
maximalism versus minimalism?
And then finally how sense can affect a space and those in it
some things to keep in mind are when you are decorating or
furnishing whether it be a new or existing home something you
shouldn't really do is follow trends solely because it's a
trend in the moment.
Something you really need to think about is if you love the
trend and you love how it looks genuinely within you if you love
it then use it if you don't follow your heart and going to
my next point style for yourself don't style for what a potential
future owner or tenant might like putting that potential
person 's.
Interest in mind above your own makes it a lot harder for you to
love your space while you're in it when it comes to inspiration
you can either have what you see on screen which is called a flat
lay or you can have a mood for either help both are good.
And both of them what they'll do is show you this is sort of the
tile this is the sort of fabric the sort of accessories that I
want in the space even going as far as furniture particularly
frames which I'll touch on later and even down to art what kind
of art do you want in the space what kind of rugs do you want in
the space.
These all whether it be mood board or flat lay they help you
really see the bigger picture of what your space is going to
become when it comes to furniture personally I have a
lot of experience with Sierra lane as that's what my current
job really.
Sells as we are their number one retailer at least in the US if
not beyond and with Sierra lane you really want to think about
things in at least 3 stages if not more you want to think about
your frames first what kind of piece are you going for are you
going for.
A sofa sectional are you going for a recliner do you want it
powered or manual or even do you want a chair that's just a chair
do you want it to swivel or do you want it to be sort of like a
rocker chair which is what they call gliders and that's all
something you should keep in mind and even down to dining
chairs and bar stools they have a lot of really good options.
And after you think about the frame and what kind of style you
want to go with then you want to think about patterns and when I
say patterns I don't just mean plaids and stuff like that I
mean solids and even leather is considered a pattern really to
them to see our lane so you really want to thank.
Do you want to do the classic check Plaid do you want to go
floral or damask and damask is basically just a floral the
Wilder woods desk that you see on screen is actually an example
of a damask do you want to go solid and do you want it just to
be that solid color or do you want it to be a velvet or a
mohair which a mohair is a type of short velvet so do you want
that or?
Going on further do you want leather and with leather they
have a ton of different finishes it's practically like another
type of wood almost and with leather you can have the Arizona
cactus you see right above Wilder woods Wilder woods which
is sort of that green color or you can go with a more classic
brown which I don't remember off the top of my head what that
herringer has.
But that sort of classic brown leather color is something that
you certainly can do as well and really is something that you
have to think back to your inspiration your flat layer or
your mood board how have you decided you want to have the
space look do you want it to be more of a rich and.
Luxurious feel which to me screams sort of leather or a
rich velvet I guess like a dark velvet almost or do you want it
to be more light or even more modern and go with a geometric
pattern and stuff like that and then finally the 3rd stage that
you really have to think about with at least particularly with
the Sierra lane is the finishes of the wood and it's not
something people think about right away.
But finishes of wood I don't just mean on a dining chair or
something like that where you're primarily potentially going to
see just wood I mean even on that CD 8800 series sofa those
wooden legs those are particular finish that you really want to
think about and if I have to guess the Nathan power recliner
might actually have the driftwood finish that you see on
screen right now.
So you want to in the same vein as your patterns you want to
think what kind of what accents if you're going to have more or
accents in general do you want that space and think about do
you want that lighter driftwood Birch look or do you want to go
more rich and do a Tavern black or mahogany and that rich color
is what you want so it's really something where you're.
Having that inspiration really affects the outcome next to
think over is accessorizing and this should really come after
you've done furniture and potentially after a good chunk
of time in my mind you should really and this is something
that people especially recommend with art.
But I think overall in general is you should really start
minimal you can have maximalism eventually if that's what you
want you can have any other type of accessorizing if that you
want but you should really start minimal as when you think
minimal you think clean you think functional and then you
also want to think if I'm going to accessorize it's going to be.
As it implies minimal but also intentional and so you want to
have that beginning because it helps you see in the long run
well actually this is exactly where I want this piece of art
to go I thought I wanted it maybe in the next room but no I
want it right here but it helps you determine this is the type
of floral I want either year round or seasonally.
And so that's really why you should start minimal and I don't
just mean as these pictures imply I mean you can you can
start with color on your walls you can start with color on your
furniture that's not a bad thing minimalism is not all stark
white IKEA like minimalism that's not necessarily what it
is.
But you can start there and either stay there or go to the
maximalism and with maximalism it's although to some people it
looks clutter you really want to think clusters with maximalism
you want to think every little nook and cranny is a spot to
design it's a spot to make an arrangement of some kind.
Which is why maximalism really isn't talked about that much as
not many people think about that but it's fun to do and it's fun
to have especially around seasonal times as we're coming
up too finally we are wanting to think on the impact of scent and
how it can really affect the people within a space as well as
just the space in general?
You can have maximalism galore and have it to the point where
it's almost it almost is clutter but you can still have the space
feel right to you and scent is the best way to really go about
doing that the ones I've listed.
Citrus peppermint lavender and sage are some good examples of
particularly focusing on mental health but you can also have
cinnamon cinnamon always draws you to fall and christmassy so
that's a good thing it's also just a really rich and.
Closest word I can think of is full the it's a really nice full
rich scent to have but citrus some of its properties are
getting you alert and energized which is really helpful like in
the mornings especially if you're not a morning person like
myself that's when that really helps.
Lavender will help you more at night as it really soothes you
and tends to help you get to sleep and it also if you have
headaches or migraines which let's be honest we work in an IT
field we're going to be staring at screens all day for the rest
of our lives if we don't already and that's something that you
really want to keep in mind because that can really.
'cause you to have headaches and migraines even if you do the
best you can to prevent them whether that be blue light
glasses or whatever looking at the screens all day will affect
you whether you want to admit it or not and lavender will really
help soothe that and decrease the stress and tension that.
All of that is putting on you and peppermint is good similar
to citrus for energy but it also helps clear your mind and
stimulate thinking so it's probably a really good one to
have like while you're working that way you can have that clear
mind and get through.
Issues and problems that you might be experiencing in your
code or in whatever you do in your IT field and then sage is
almost the the benefits are almost a amalgamation of
lavender and peppermint it has that mental function and
productivity boost but it also is a really soft scent.
That'll help you sort of relieve at least a little bit of tension
and calm your mind down quite a bit unfortunately that is the
last I have for today and as you are watching this video that I
am actually done with my internship so I can't answer any
questions but these are some really good.
Sites to look at if you're looking into furniture CR lane
is amazing retailer and they have amazing customer service
and everything and that is all I have but I hope you all have a
great rest of your internship and as you're in master class I
know you're aware but make sure you sign up for your master
class if you haven't thank you.
Well that was a good one that was a good point of view on on
setting up your rooms your apartments your offices whatever
that might be I like it OK now I have so this is something that
we are doing that I've started doing if we can't find a time
for you and of course that's why we say set your time up as soon
as possible before your term ends so that you can get.
A presentation if we can't find a time for you because sometimes
it runs too many we have 6 that's an hour and a half you
know if we have 8 that's 2 hours I think that's going to be quite
a lot yes master class So what I'll do is I will get your
recording and then I will show it at another time so that way
it is still part of it as long as I get your presentation you
still get credit for it but and then we get to still.
Hear your voice even after the fact so I'm gonna go ahead and
start Mason 's and can you see his slides here you can awesome
looks like and Matt let's get started.
Hello my name is Mason Leslie I am a cybersecurity analyst
intern and my presentation is over inmap so inmap is a network
mapper it's free open source tool used for network discovery
and security auditing netmap.
In map can be used to scan host networks for open port services
and sometimes vulnerabilities in map is important because it can
be used to identify host and service on a network it can find
open ports with potential security vulnerabilities it can
test firewall and intrusion detection systems and you can
plan security audits and penetration tests within map so.
In map uses a variety of techniques to scan host and
networks including ping scanning which sends an ICMP echo request
packet to a host to determine if it is up and running basically
in map will use this the information it receives back
from the host when it sends these packets to determine the
information it gives you and also you can use atcp.
Send scan which sends a TCP send packet to a port on a host to
determine if it is open it can do UDP scanning which sends the
UDP packet to a port on a host determine if it's open but
there's many different types of scan options and many different
commands you can use within map you can control the timing and
control how long in map waits for response from a host report.
You can send custom data to a host report with the payload
options and you can allow inmap to detect operating system with
with a couple different commands so so inmap like I said has a
lot of different use cases so.
It can be used for network discovery to identify host and
services on a network it can audit your security so you can
scan a network and all of the hosts and see what ports are
open and then use that to potentially find security
vulnerabilities you can use it to test the firewall for example
if you're trying to scan a host you can your firewall should
drop.
You know depending on your configuration it should drop
some request where which would return a you know a closed or
down port for in map so that they can be used to test if your
firewall 's actually properly and you can use it for
penetration testing basically you can use all the information
you're you're gathering from your scans.
And determine how you want to try to penetrate a network so in
map is not a perfect tool it has limitations it was developed
long ago I don't remember the exact year but the the concept
still works because of how our networking protocols haven't
changed a lot.
So but it can be blocked by firewalls it can be detected by
intrusion detection systems and then you know dropped from
sending packets and it can be used by malicious actors to
attack networks so nmap is a powerful tool and it can be many
different purposes and it is important to use nmap
responsibly and ethically.
In map should not be used to attack networks or systems
without permission all right So what I have here is a a scan
using the Zen map application which is just the GUI version of
in map.
Just makes things a lot more you know easier to read and
understand and visualize a lot better but you can see here we
ran a quick scan and we put the target in here and then it
basically just generated the command which would be the same
command that we would use in the command line version.
But you know for example we could run that same command and
you can see it starts out starting in map just like this
one this is just like I said visualize better and then it
also will give you.
More information I also did a intense scan which is why we
have so much information on these different hosts so you can
see that this that was this here it takes a little bit longer
it's it's louder so a firewall or intrusion detection system on
the target may pick up on it and drop all requests.
But you can see here you can click on the device and it'll
take you to that part of the scan you can also break it down
by ports and go through here each and look at the open ports
and you can also look at the host details so we can start up
here for example this one it gives us the Mac address tells
us the operating system right here with what it believes to be
88% accuracy.
But you can go through here and you can see like this one for
example is apple Mac OS I know that that's one of the the Mac
books on the network here's some more see a lot of Android
devices let's have another Mac OS device.
So this one right here we have kind of it's a Windows XP device
which I know it's not accurate because this is AVM Ware virtual
machine on the on the network that is I don't have any XP but
it determined which you know just goes to show it's not
completely accurate but you know I could wouldn't take me long to
figure out which which one of these.
It is yeah that's the example here and then just to show you
the terminal version let's see there we go just completed so
like I said it's the same output as far as.
The the terminal side but this is a lot harder to read than the
in map output on this side like I said this is highlighted with
ports you can go through and and find the bolded IP address is a
lot easier than this but that.
Kind of covers that like again you don't want to scan any any
network that you don't have written consent to scan because
then you can get into some some legal trouble but yeah there's
hopefully this goes to show why this program is still being used
by security analysts today even though it you know it was
created decades ago so.
But that concludes my presentation unfortunately I'm
not able to attend live so I'm not you know there to answer any
questions but if you do have any questions feel free to reach out
on teams and I'll get back to you as quick as I can all right
thanks hi my name is Marion Lindsay let me get rid of that
one well.
Those were a couple of excellent presentations I'll tell you
information I did not know on end mapping so I was wondering
about that since we do have a cybersecurity department I was
wondering what those guys are doing back there you know with
their end mapping and cyber and stuff.
Other than that if you have any questions you're welcome to
reach out to them ask them any questions you might have and I
look forward to checking out you guys presentation when the time
comes up and thank you so much for joining and you have a great
rest of the evening.